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Map of U.S. States North of Canada

If you have no idea how you got here, back up to the previous page.

If you do, these are the 27 U.S. states at least partly north of the southernmost part of Canada.

Alaska* Maine* New Hampshire* South Dakota*
California Massachusetts New York Utah
Connecticut Michigan* North Dakota* Vermont*
Idaho* Minnesota* Ohio Washington*
Illinois Montana* Oregon* Wisconsin*
Indiana Nebraska Pennsylvania Wyoming
Iowa Nevada Rhode Island

  

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*The 13 states marked with an asterisk are entirely north of Canada's southernmost point of land.  Go straight to here to see the evidence.

 

 


Table of Contents

Four sources for Canada's southernmost point
    Flashearth
    Google Maps
    Atlas of Canada
    Find Latitude and Longitude.com
        Canadian waters versus land
Table of Distances
Table of Explanations by Location
    Hawaii
U.S. states entirely north
 
Distance converter spreadsheet
    Distance: Second, meter, inch
    Two formats, one better
        Convert DDMMSS to decimal degrees
        Convert decimal degrees to DDMMSS
 


 

The southernmost point of Canada is in Lake Erie on a now-uninhabited island called Middle Island, which is part of Pelee Township, which is part of the province of Ontario (which should not be confused with the nearby Middle Bass Island, which is part of Ohio).

Although always a part of Canada, Middle Island was until 2000 owned by an Ohio car dealer who bought it as a pleasure island for his family.  After his death his heirs sold it by outcry auction.  A non-profit agency called The Canadian Nature Conservancy, which had publicly raised funds for the purpose, bought it for roughly U$867,000 and then deeded it to Canada.  You can read more HERE and HERE and HERE and HERE.

In any case, the question is how many U.S. states are at least partly north of some part of Canada, and I hereby declare as follows:

The southernmost point of Middle Island, Ontario, Canada,
which is the southernmost point of Canadian land,
is located very close to 41 degrees north, 40 minutes, 53 seconds.

This is the same as a latitude of 41.68138 degrees north.

If you have any reason at all for even remotely, possibly, maybe thinking that I might even remotely possibly might be wrong about this exact point, please immediately.  It's because of people like you that I have been able to narrow down that exact latitude to a pretty high degree of accuracy with a pretty high degree of confidence, as you'll see below.

If you find yourself wandering around on Middle Island or approaching it from Lake Erie, and if you have a GPS unit that can tell you latitude and longitude, please go ahead and locate that southernmost point and let me know what your numbers are, and do take a photo or two, and thanks.  If you're in charge of at least three secret, high-altitude spy planes and you can get them to photograph and triangulate the position, feel free.  Same if you have the power to alter the orbits of imaging satellites or the International Space Station or the Space Shuttle: Just go ahead and get 'er done and get me the results ASAP, and -- again -- thanks.

 


Four sources.  Below are the four sources I used to arrive at that latitude of 41d 40m 53s.
 

Flashearth

Using FLASHEARTH.COM, I placed my cursor on the point I thought best represented the southernmost point of Middle Island, not counting the (light-colored) beach.

Thanks go to of Stockbridge, Wisconsin, for bringing this resouce to my attention, as well as for corrections and additions and other improvements to this page.  However, I am responsible for any errors, not Ken or anyone else who has helped with this little project.

You can see the exact spot I chose HERE.

The result is coordinates of 41d 40m 53s,-82d 41m 2s, which translates to
41.68138
,-82.6838.

 

Google Maps

If you assiduously use Google Maps you will likely end up with a depiction that looks a lot like the one HERE.

To check this point yourself using Google Maps, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

41.681461,-82.683632

That latitude of 41.681461 translates to 41d 40m 53.2596s.

 

Atlas of Canada, Natural Resources Canada

Here is another useful source of information, thanks to George Best, on Canada's southernmost point.  It's called The Atlas of Canada, and it's an extraordinary collection of mapping information from Natural Resources Canada.

The main page in English is HERE.  To see the page I (well, George, actually) used to locate the southernmost point of Middle Island using this resource, click HERE.  You'll see it's map 040G10.

Click HERE to see the popup screen that shows the latitude and longitude of the particular point on the map where I clicked after clicking the Get Info from Map button near the top, or, better yet, try it yourself.  You'll see it posits a West longitude of 82d 41m 9s (-82.68583) and a North latitude of 41d 40m 53s.

 

FindLatitudeAndLongitude.com

Go HERE to see the point I chose using this application, which also uses Google Maps.  (And thanks again are deserved by for telling me about this.)

That point is said to be at +41.68142205277912, -82.68436074256897, which translates to

41° 40' 53.1193900044", -82° 41' 3.6987", which is an example of false precision.

The misuse of false precision can be exploited to convince people of something they shouldn't believe, because some people think a number with more decimal points is automatically better than one with fewer.  Now, in the example above, the unreasonably high number of significant digits to the right of the decimal point is legitimate in the sense that no one is trying to trick anyone.  The extremely high degree of (seeming) precision results from performing a few fairly simple algebraic equations and not ever rounding till you run out of digits the computer program can handle.  I do just that in my distance calculator spreadsheet below.

Also, you'll see that many of the numbers I present are also "too" precise, in the sense that the number of significant digits is uselessly large for comparing distances.  I do this not to fool you but so you can check my math; needless to say, if you find an error of any magnitude, I hope you'll .

Anyway, many of the rightmost decimal places of the numbers above can be deleted and no information would be lost.  For example, the difference between

41.68142205277912  N  and
41.68142205277913  N  is only
00.00000000000001  decimal degrees,

which translates to 1.1112 nanometers, which is just over 1 billionth of a meter.  Imagine slicing the width of a human hair into 50,000 equal parts.  The width of one of those slices is approximately the degree of precision we're talking about.  It is absurd to think that any map of a point on Earth has ever been measured to such a high degree of accuracy.

As a more useful example, the difference between

41° 40' 53.01"  and
41° 40' 53.00"  is just a touch over 12 inches.

With all that said, I declare this fourth source of information posits a latitude for Canada's southernmost point at 41° 40' 53.119" or 41.68142194.

 

All of the four sources above agree that the number of degrees north is 41 and that the number of minutes is 40.  As to the number of seconds, one source says 53, another says 53.2596, another says 53, and the fourth says 53.119.  The average, for what it's worth, is 53.09465 seconds, which is less than 10 feet north of the even 53-second latitude I chose.  Even the northernmost point of the four is less than 27 feet north.  I am confident that 41 40 53 North is the nearest second of the southernmost point of Canadian land.

The exact point of Canada's southernmost point of land surely can never be known unless it is declared by fiat, as with, say, Nevada's northern border.  The exact point on  Middle Island will surely vary by a little as geologic erosion or build-up takes place or the surrounding waters rise or fall.  The exact point will surely vary by the season and by which satellite took which photo or by exactly where on the beach you stand when you take your GPS reading and by the precision of your GPS unit, or by rounding error, or just by exactly where you click your mouse.

Based on the evidence presented above, it can confidently be said that the exact latitude of Canadian land that is southernmost is much closer to 41d 40m 53s than any other second.  This translates to exactly 41.68138 dgrees north.  If you disagree with that latitude, or if you can confirm that it is correct, or if you can confer additional precision, I really do hope you will .
 

Canadian waters versus land.  All along I have been referring to the 27 states' being north of the southernmost point of Canada's land, but the argument has been made more than once that I should include her waters as well.  My response is that this was originally presented as a bar bet, and the loser might well argue that he thought it referred only to the land.  "Hey, now, you didn't say the waters.  I thought you meant the land.  If I'd known you were including the waters as part of Canadian territory, I wouldn't have made the bet, so I'm not paying."  You don't want to have to argue such a technicality, and you can avoid the problem by phrasing the bet so it refers only to the land parts of Canada.

But what if we do include Canadian waters as well?  Does that extend the bet far enough south to add a 28th state?  According to both HERE and HERE, the latitude of the border southeast of Middle Island is 41d 40m 36s, which is exactly 17 seconds south of the point on Middle Island that I chose (41d 40m 53s), which means it is less than 574 yards south, which means the distance from there to the northernmost point of New Jersey's land, as you will see, is still less than 22.08 miles, so still no 28th cigar.  Whew.

To repeat, the latitude of the southernmost point of Canada's waters is at 41 40 36, which is exactly the same as 41.676.

Also, go HERE for some useful information on U.S. state borders.
 

 

Table of Distances

By studying the map and the list at the top of this page and the table below, you can see that no U.S. state not mentioned below is even close to being close.  Indeed, I probably needn't have included Nebraska (91.03 miles north) and Missouri (73.76 miles south) at all, but I want there to be no doubt.  I want this to be the last word on the subject, so you and I can move on.

The table below lists the distance south in statute miles from each of the nine latitudes in question to every other.  For example, the distance south from the northernmost point of Indiana to the southernmost point of Canada is 5.42 statute miles, and the distance north (a negative number) from the northernmost point of New Jersey to Canada is 22.42 statute miles.

The links in the first column are to Mapquest or Google Maps or some other source using the degrees, minutes, seconds format (DDMMSS).  In some cases the corresponding headings in the top row link to equivalent maps in the decimal degrees format.  Feel free to click any of the 18 links.

Two notes on precision: (1) In the table below the numbers are shown rounded to two decimal places, but in the spreadsheet (see below) that informs this table and in other calculated results, full precision is used till the last possible moment.  (2) Numbers with a line, called a macron, over them are repeating decimals, e.g., 7.3 means 7 and one third.

 

    Latitude  

    Distance south in statute miles    

DD MM SS Dec.  NEB  CNU OHIO ROME  IND  CAN N.J. COLO   MO
NEBRASKA
(northernmost)
43 00 00 43.00 0 69.05 70.62 75.95 85.61 91.05 113.45 138.09 164.79
CA, NV, UT
(northernmost)
42 00 00 42.00 -69.05 0 1.57 6.90 16.56 22.00 44.40 69.05 95.74
OHIO
(northernmost)
41 58 38 41.98 -70.62 -1.57 0 5.34 14.99 20.43 42.83 67.48 94.18
ROME
(center)
41 54 00 41.90 -75.95 -6.90 -5.34 0 9.65 15.09 37.50 62.14 88.84
INDIANA
(northernmost)
41 45 37 41.76 -85.61 -16.56 -14.99 -9.65 0 5.44 27.84 52.49 79.19
CANADA
(southernmost)
41 40 53 41.68 -91.05 -22.00 -20.43 -15.09 -5.44 0 22.40 47.05 73.75
NEW JERSEY
(northernmost)
41 21 25 41.36 -113.45 -44.40 -42.83 -37.50 -27.84 -22.40 0 24.64 51.34
COLORADO
(northernmost)
41 00 00 41.00 -138.09 -69.05 -67.48 -62.14 -52.49 -47.05 -24.64 0 26.70
MISSOURI
(northernmost)
40 36 48 40.61 -164.79 -95.74 -94.18 -88.84 -79.19 -73.75 -51.34 -26.70 0

 

Table of Explanations 

Obviously it is essential that the latitudes alleged for the locations above be reasonably accurate.  It is equally obvious that the farther away two points are, the less need there is for precision just to establish whether one is different from the other.  Still, I have tried to get all this right.

In the table below are explanations whence each of those nine latitude figures came.

Nebraska The straight part of Nebraska's northern border is defined to be exactly 43 degrees north latitude, according to Boundaries of the United States and the Several States, Geological Survey Professional Paper 909, by Franklin K. Van Zandt, published in 1976 by the U.S. Government Printing Office (hereafter referred to as USGS Paper 909).

The rest of the northern border, at the east side, drops altogether south to follow the Missouri River and is clearly everywhere south of 43 degrees.

California, Nevada, Utah The entirety of the northern borders of these three states is defined to be exactly 42 degrees north latitude, according to USGS Paper 909.

Also, feel free to look up information about the Adams-Onis Treaty of 1819.

Ohio I used two sources to locate Ohio's northernmost point.  One is Google Maps, and the other is Flashearth.  The two latitudes agree to within a few dozen feet.

Google Maps' point is shown HERE, showing a latitude of 41.97728.

To check Ohio's northernmost point yourself using Google Maps, copy either of the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

41.977281,-80.519419
41 58 38.21, -80 31 9.91

According to Flashearth, HERE is the northernmost point of Ohio's land.  The coordinates are

41 58 37.9,-80 31 9.9, which I translate to

41.977194,-80.519416.

The difference between 41.977281 and 41.977194, which is 0.000087 degrees, is a matter of less than 32 feet.

If you have reason to believe Ohio's northernmost point is different from where I say, or if you can confirm it, please
 

Rome I estimated Rome's center point using Mapquest at 41 90.  If you have reason to think I chose a point too far north, or better yet if you know where Rome's northernmost point is, please .

Note that I should have used the northernmost point, but, unlike with Canada and the U.S. states, I wasn't able to establish any of Rome's official borders.  No matter what, though, the latitude that I did choose, 41.90 degrees, is south of Vatican City, which is entirely within Rome, so at least some part of Rome is north of Canada's southernmost point by at least 14 statute miles.

Also, paste 41.90, 12.4573 into Google Maps, which is meant to be directly south of the center of the circular part at the east end of St. Peter's Plaza, i.e., just west of St. Peter's Basilica.
 

Indiana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Indiana

A figure of 41.75929199 degrees north latitude (which translates to 41d 45m 33.451164s) for Indiana comes from Everett Root, an employee of the state of Michigan.  Why Michigan?  Because Michigan's south border is Indiana's north border.  His e-mail of January 29, 2003:

Apparently the Michigan/Indiana boundary is not on an exact Latitude.  Our best determination based on USGS Topo maps is the boundary is at 41.75929199 degrees latitude.  I did find historical evidence as to how the boundary was determined which explains why it is not at an exact latitude.  The original southern boundary of Michigan was at the southern tip of Lake Michigan.  When Indiana became a State they wanted access to Lake Michigan so the southern boundary of Michigan was moved North by a certain number of miles (my source doesn't know exactly how many) to it's present position.

--Everett Root, Manager Geo-Data Services, State of Michigan, Department of Information Technology, Michigan Center for Geographic Information (CGI); PH 517-373-7910, FAX 517-373-293

I received the e-mail below on February 3, 2003, but since the figure given is north of the one Mr. Root gives, I would have chosen Root's to be conservative.  However, it does answer Mr. Root's question.

In reply to your inquiry, the northern boundary of Indiana was defined in the enabling act under which it became a state as a line ten miles north of an east and west line through the southern extreme of Lake Michigan. No latitude was specified. We telephoned the Geology Library at Indiana University and were given the location of 41 degrees, 45 minutes and 35 seconds north.

--, Reference Librarian, Indiana Division

(41d 45m 35s translates to 41.7597222 degrees decimal.)

The source I ended up using is Google Maps.  The point shown by Google maps is at 41.760175, -84.805892.  Go HERE to see it.

Although I use the Google coordinates in the table above, note that even the Root figure, which is the southernmost of the three, is only 41.760175 minus 41.75929199, or .00088301 degrees, which is less than 322 feet.  Either way, Indiana is at least 5.42 miles too far north to be eliminated from the list of 27 states.

To check Indiana's northernmost point yourself using Google Maps, copy either of the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

41.760175,-84.805892
41 45 36.63, -84 48 21.21

As with some of the other southernmost and northernmost points I posit, if you have reason to believe Indiana's northernmost point is different from where I say, or if you can confirm it, please .
   

CANADA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CANADA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CANADA

Obviously this is a crucial factor affecting whether there are exactly 27 U.S. states north of Canada, and I have not been able to find any really truly indisputably official confirmation for the exact point I chose and the latitude I derived from it.  However, as you'll see below, I'm willing to bet real, big money it's close enough.

Update of May 21, 2003  Here's a direct scan of part of a large poster and map titled "Canada: A Land of Superlatives" published by an organization called National Atlas Information Service--Canada and kindly snailed to me by a Canadian government agency called Natural Resources Canada.

north_of_canada_map_geomatics.jpg (16,528 bytes) 05192003

In case you can't read it the caption says,

Middle Island, in Lake Erie, Ont., is the MOST
SOUTHERLY POINT in Canada, at 41° 40'  57" S.

The stated latitude is too far south by a whopping 5,756 miles.  Indeed, this latitude is more than 472 miles south of the southern tip of AFRICA.  But let's assume they meant 41° 40' 57" North.

Even so, this statement is clearly unclear, at least for our purposes.  It is different from saying,

The most southerly point in Canada is on Middle Island
in Lake Erie, Ont., at 41° 40'  57" N.

Specifically, it is unclear whether 41°  40'  57" north latitude is supposed to be the latitude of the southernmost point of Middle Island or, as stated, merely the latitude of Middle Island, whatever that means.  If it's the latter, then the given latitude may be the middlemost point of Middle Island, or even the northernmost!

In any case, 41°  40'  57" N is only (and, for that matter, exactly) three seconds north of the point I did choose, which is less than 102 yeards, so Indiana would still be too far south.

 

Depending on how far off my estimate of Canada's southernmost point is, it might be that Indiana isn't or that New Jersey is on the list, but I really will pay you a thousand dollars if you can prove the number of U.S. states is not 27.

As you know from reading about the four sources of information cited above,
I declare as follows:

The southernmost point of Canadian land, which is on Middle Island, Ontario, is extremely close to the latitude of 41d 40m 53s.

This is the same as 41.68138 degrees N.
 

New Jersey

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

New Jersey

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

New
Jersey

New Jersey is the state that is closest to being partly north of Canada's southernmost point without being so.  The point I use is derived from Google.  If you think New Jersey is north of where I think it, please .  And as with the southernmost point of Canada, if you find yourself near New Jersey's northernmost point and you have a way of recording the coordinates, please do so and let me know.

Before I tell you more specifically what source I did use, let me tell you about one I didn't use.  Here's a funny e-mail I received on January 23, 2003, from an official spokeshuman for New Jersey:

Hello.  In response to your email, the northernmost point of New Jersey is High Point.  For more information regarding latitude, try the U.S. Geological Survey within the Department of Interior.  Thank you.  --

Just so you'll know, it turns out High Point is not  the northernmost point of New Jersey.  High Point is nearly 2.5 statute MILES south of "the northernmost point of New Jersey."  Ms. Hudnett thought I meant the highest point, which High Point is, at 1,772 feet, but in later e-mails she refused, despite my urging, to admit her original mistake.  People like this -- people who refuse to admit their mistakes when slapped in the face with them -- should be identified with some sort of brand on their foreheads and some sort of special string in their e-mails so the rest of us can spot 'em right off the bat.

Anyway, because New Jersey is closest to being north of Canada without being so, we'll max this out so there's no doubt.  It can be argued we have two points to consider with respect to New Jersey's northernmost point.  One is the waters of New Jersey and the other is land alone.  As it turns out, it doesn't matter, but let's proceed.

See the table below for the exact lat-lon locations I chose for those two points.  I used Google Maps.
 

  Decimal Rounded to DDMMSS Rounded to
Northernmost point of New Jersey WATERS
Latitude 41.357428 41.36 41 21 26.7408 41d 21m 27s
Longitude -74.694919 -74.69 -74 41 41.0784 -74d 41m 41s
Northernmost point of New Jersey LAND
Latitude 41.356927 41.36 41 21 24.9400 41d 21m 25s
Longitude -74.693800 -74.69 -74 41 37.6800 -74d 41m 38s

 


To take my word for it, go HERE.

To confirm the New Jersey waters map, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

41.357428, -74.694919

To confirm the New Jersey land map, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.  This is the spot I chose for the Table of Distances above.

41.356927, -74.6938


It so happens New Jersey's northernmost point at all is where it meets two other states.  That spot is where Sussex County, New Jersey, meets Orange County, New York, and Pike County, Pennsylvania.  The spot where they meet is in the middle of the Delaware River, just west of where the Neversink River conflues with it.

Worst-case scenario: Even if we choose to use the northernmost point of New Jersey's waters and the southernmost point of Canada's waters, which I already argued is not what the bet is about, the correct answer is still 27 states.

New Jersey still isn't far enough north by a distance of 41.676 degrees minus 41.357428 degrees, which is 0.3192386 degrees, which is over 22.04 statute miles, whereas all I need to keep my thousand dollars is an inch.  So re-whew.
 

Colorado

 

 

 

 

 

Colorado

Colorado's northern border in its entirety is defined as exactly 41 degrees north latitude, according to USGS Paper 909.

Colorado has the most boring shape of any U.S. state, and possibly of any major political jurisdiction in the world (except Wyoming).  The four straight-line borders of Colorado meet at 90-degree angles, i.e., it is a true rectangle (pretending the Earth is flat).  Those borders are originally defined everywhere merely by four simple latitude and longitude coordinates.

The south border is defined as 37 degrees, the east border is defined as -102° 03', the north border, as we already know, is defined as 41 degrees, and the west border is defined as -109° 03'.

-102° 03' is the same as -102.05 decimal.  -109° 03' is, of course, the same as -109.05 decimal.

You can see Google Maps' depiction of the northwest corner of Colorado, where it meets Utah and Wyoming, as well as the northeast corner, where Colorado meets a corner of Nebraska (and which defines Kansas's western border) HERE.  Try zooming in all the way.

Yet another view of where Colorado bumps into Nebraska is HERE.

No matter how you look at it, Colorado's northernmost point at 41 degrees minus Canada's southernmost point, 41d 40m 53s, is a good 47 miles south.
 

Missouri

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Missouri

Missouri's northern border is not a straight line of latitude but rather what appears to be an arc the center of the circle of which is to the north, except at the extreme east end, where it drops south to follow the Des Moines River, a tributary of the Mississippi.

Here are excerpts from two e-mails dated March 11 and March 27, 2003, from , PLS, Program Director, Land Survey Program [of Missouri]:

The north line is not on a parallel of latitude.  It was ran [sic] with compasses and a chain with few observations of latitude.  Therefore it somewhat follows a line with numerous bends.  It is well-monumented and can be retraced with modern surveying methods, but it would not be ran as a geodetic (curved) line.

This office has recovered a number of the original cast iron monuments that were set during the second and third surveys of the line.  Listed below are the coordinates for a few of them.

The monument at the northeast corner of the state of Missouri is the northernmost point of the entire northern boundary of Missouri [emphasis mine].

-- Northwest corner (near the Missouri River)  40° 34' 48"
-- Old northwest corner (NE corner of the Platte Purchase)  40° 34' 16"
-- Northeast corner (on the Des Moines River)  40° 36' 48"

So, this is about as official as it gets.  Even if 40º 36' 48" has been rounded down from 40º 36' 48.9", still no part of Missouri is north of any part of Canada.

40º 36' 48", the place I chose, is the same latitiude as 40.613.

To see Missouri's northernmost point according to Google Maps, copy either of the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

40.61358, -91.7305

40 36 48.89, -91 43 49.8

Google's more northerly latitude of 40 36 48.89 minus the Flowers' latitude of 40 36 48 is less than 91 feet, which gives us confidence that each is pretty darned close.
 

 


Hawaii:  I don't list Hawaii in either table above, but I should have according to this e-mail exchange, listed in reverse chronological order:

February 16, 2003 -- Hey Johnny.  Thanks for replying.  I found myself there because I was looking around to see where I could find accurate measurements of places and I also was curious to see if people thought that New Jersey was one of the 28 states when it is actually not.  Sure, you may quote me if you like, but it was no problem at all.  --Katherine

February 15, 2003 -- Dear Katherine.  Thanks for your kind words about that Web page.  May I ask, how did you find yourself there?  Also, may I quote you about Hawaii?  Thanks.  --Johnny

February 14, 2003 -- Hi Johnny G.  My name's Katherine Dover.  I am a student at the University of Western Ontario in London.  I study Canadian history and geography, and your north_of_canada_map.htm page  [this very page]  is very accurate to my knowledge.

There is indeed just one minor problem though.  That is that you forgot the state of Hawaii.  All of the islands there are over 41 degrees north which allows it to qualify as one of those states that are at least partially north of Canada's most southerly point.  Therefore, this makes your final total actually 28 states.  Feel free to email me back if you have anything to say.  Sincerely.  --Katherine Dover [not her real name]

This is a useful example for showing how to calculate the distance north and south from one latitude to another.  Assume the northernmost part of Hawaii is at 29 degrees north and Canada's southernmost point is at 41 degrees north, a distance of 12 degrees.  What is that distance?

If you were to look at a map of Hawaii and guess at its northernmost unit degree of latitude, you'd probably say 23 degrees North.  But you'd be wrong.  It turns out that a part of Hawaii exists as far north as 29 degrees, a distance of another 400 miles.  Kure Atoll and the other Northwestern Hawaiian Islands are technically part of the city of Honolulu, even though they're located some 1,300 miles away.  See HERE for more information, and give credit to Dan Haigh for bringing this to my attention.

One minute of arc, a 60th of a degree, is defined as 1,852 meters in length.  Said another way, if you travel north (or south) from wherever you are now till you've changed latitude by exactly 1 minute, you will have travelled exactly 1,852 meters, or just over a mile.  If you travel a full degree of distance, or 60 minutes, that's simply 1,852 meters times 60 degrees per minute, or exactly 111,120 meters, which is about 69 statute miles.  So if Hawaii is at 29 degrees north and Canada is at 41 degrees north, dear Katherine was off by well over 800 miles, which is why I didn't use her real name.

 


 

Thirteen U.S. states entirely north of Canada's southernmost point
 

If you were surprised that as many as 27 U.S. states are north of Canda's southernmost point, you might also be surprised to learn that 13 of those 27, more than a quarter of the 50, are entirely north thereof.

Let's look at the southernmost points of those 13 plus the nearest contenders for 14th and compare them to the latitude of 41 40 53 that I declared above is the southernmost point of Canada's land.

So you don't have to keep scrolling up and down, here again is the map at the top of the page.

northofcanada05.gif

 

The U.S. states listed below are listed in order from the northernmost southernmost point to the southernmost southernmost.  No state not listed below is even close to being close.

 

Alaska's southernmost point is on Amatignak Island.  The southern tip of that island, in the Bering Sea and a part of the Aleutian Islands, is called Nitrof Point.  Paste these coordinates into a mapping service such as Google MAPS, to see approximately where it is.

51.219444,-179.1213889

51.2194 minus 41.68138 degrees is 9.53805 degrees, which is 658.5718984 statute miles.
 

Alaska

51.2194

> 658 miles

We know all of North Dakota is entirely north of Canada's southernmost point because it is entirely north of South Dakota, which we see later is one of the 13 states.

Still, to confirm North Dakota's southernmost point, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

45.935249,-96.563683

North Dakota's southernmost point at 45.935249 minus 41.68138 is a whopping 4.2538601 degrees, which is 293.7152874 miles.
 

North Dakota

45.935249

> 293 miles

We know all of the state of Washington is entirely north of Canada's southernmost point because it is entirely north of Oregon, which is itself one of the 13 states.  In case you're interested, the southernmost point I chose for Washington is HERE.

To confirm Washington's southernmost point, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

45.54835,-122.3

45.54835 minus 41.68138 degrees is 3.866961, which is 267.0011624 miles north enough.
 

Washington

45.54835

> 267 miles

We know all of Montana is entirely north of Canada's southernmost point because its southernmost point is well north of Idaho's southern border.

To confirm Montana's southernmost point, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

44.358221,-112.844865

44.358221 minus 41.68138 is 2.6768321, which is 184.8266028 miles far enough north.
   

Montana

44.358221

> 184 miles

Minnesota's southernmost point might or might not lie on a straight east-west line, but it is surely not much south of 43.5 degrees, which puts it north of Canada's southernmost point by over 125 miles, and I know I'm not off by that much.

But by how much I am off is mildly interesting.

HERE is Flashearth's picture of the western end of Minnesota's southern border with Iowa and South Dakota.  Note that the dashed line representing that border point I chose lands exactly on the intersection of two roads, those being named 100th Street east and west and 10th Avenue north and south.

HERE is the Google Maps' version of that intersection of two dashed lines, which certainly represent the border.  You'll see that it is well southeast of the intersection of those two roads.

One of those sources must be wrong, regardless of what latitude and longitude numbers are involved, by at least a little bit.

And even if you don't expect Google and Flashearth to match up perfectly, there's definitely a problem in Flashearth alone.

Note that when you click the Latitude and Longitude section just under //Location, you toggle from the smart decimal to the stupid minutes format.  The latitude you remember from HERE in decimal is 43.500388, which is extremely close to Google's 43.500366, which is reassuring.  But that's not the point.  The point is that Flashearth converts 43.500388 to 43d 30m 1.3s.

One of those numbers must be wrong, because 43.500388 converts to exactly 43d 30m 1.3968s, which obviously cannot round to 43d 30m 1.3s.

Maybe Flashearth is merely deleting more and more significant digits from the right to get it down to tenths of a second, but obviously that's going to cause inaccuracies pretty close to half the time.

If you can explain either of these contradictions, please .
 

Minnesota

~43.5

> 125 miles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Minnesota

~43.5

> 125 miles

 

To confirm Maine's southernmost point for yourself, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

42.974708,-70.599014

At a latitude of 42.974708 degrees north, Maine's southernmost point of land is 89.2995032 miles north of Canada's southernmost point, by 1.2933191 degrees.
 

Maine

42.974708

> 89 miles

The spot I chose for Vermont is HERE, which is the easternmost point of the border between Vermont and Massachusetts to the south, which is not a line of latitude as it appears but which rather slopes slightly south as it moves east.

To confirm Vermont's southernmost point for yourself, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

42.726854,-72.458442

Vermont's most southerly point at 42.726854 minus Canada's at 41.68138 means Vermont is on the list of 13 states by 1.0454651 degrees, or over 72 miles (72.1859858).
 

Vermont

42.726854

> 72 miles

Go HERE to see the point I chose for New Hampshire.  It is at the east end of the straight line that defines most of Vermont's and New Hampshire's southern boundaries, where New Hampshire meets Massachusetts and their border veers north.

To confirm New Hampshire's southernmost point for yourself, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

42.696990, -71.294208

New Hampshire's 42.69699 minus Canada's 41.68138 puts New Hampshire on the list of 13 states by a distance of 1.015601 degrees, which is over 70 miles (70.1239732.).
   

New Hampshire

42.69699

> 70 miles

Wisconsin's southern border's two endpoints can be seen HERE in Google Maps, as well as the most southerly point I could find, which is in Lake Michigan.  The border moves north or south a tiny bit every so often, especially at the far west end.

The border is generally at almost exactly 42.5 degrees, but there are variations.  The lowest point I found, as you saw, is at 42.49172, is within 0.00828 degrees of 42.5, which is a mere 57.17072% of a statute mile.

No matter which marker you choose, Wisconsin's southernmost point is more than 56 miles north of Canada's.
 

Wisconsin

42.49172

> 56 miles

Go HERE to see Google Maps' representation of where I think South Dakota's southernmost point is, where it intersects with Nebraska in the middle of the Missouri River (and just a touch west of where it intersects with Iowa).

To confirm South Dakota's southernmost point, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

42.47969,-96.479989

Go HERE to see the same point in Flashearth, which reports a latitude of 42.479641, which is south by less than 18 feet.

The latitude I chose, 42.47969, minus Canada's 41.68138 means South Dakota is on the list of 13 states entirely north of Canada's southernmost point by 0.798301 degrees, a distance of 55.1201107 miles.
 

South Dakota

42.47969

> 55 miles

We know all of Idaho is entirely north of Canada's southernmost point because its southern border is the same as Nevada's and Utah's northern borders, which we already know are all defined to be exactly 42 degrees north.

42 degrees minus 41.68138 degrees is 0.31861 degrees, which is 21.9990671 miles.
 

Idaho

42.00

> 21 miles

We know all of Oregon is entirely north of Canada's southernmost point because its southern border is the same as Nevada's and California's northern borders, which we already know are all defined to be exactly 42 degrees north.

Again, 42 degrees minus 41.68138 degrees is 0.31861 degrees, which is still 21.9990671 miles.
 

Oregon

42.00

> 21 miles

I have no idea where Rome's southernmost point is.  If you do, please .

The spot I chose, more or less at random, is at the south end of what looks like a ring road around Roma.  If this latitude is correct, which I doubt, then all of Rome is north of Canada's southernmost point by 41.792059 minus 41.68138, which is 0.1106701 degrees, which would make all of Rome north of Canada's southernmost point by a distance of 7.6414134 miles.

To confirm where I chose for Rome's southernmost point for yourself, copy either of the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

41.792059, 12.510443
41 47 31.41, +12 30 37.59

Perhaps of more interest is where Canada's southernmost latitude at 41.68138 lies with respect to Rome.  Go HERE to see the point I chose as well as where Canada's latitude is with respect to the general area.
   

Rome, Italy

41.792059?

> 7.6 miles?

With Michigan we have to slow down and be careful, because it's close.  In fact it's by far (har) the closest measurement on this whole page relative to Canada's southernmost point.  First, note that we're concerned only with the Lower Peninsula, because the Upper Peninsula of Michigan is entirely north of, and thoroughly separated from, the Lower.

The three south border lines of Michigan, which are straight, are the same as the northern borders of Indiana and Ohio.  If you go HERE you'll see what I mean.

From the west, the southern border of Michigan starts in the middle of Lake Michigan where it intersects with Illinois and Indiana.  It travels east till it arrives on land, where it towels off and exchanges a swim suit for walking clothes and proceeds straight east, i.e., it follows a line of latitude as you would expect, for many miles.

Then that Michigan-Indiana line drops dead south, i.e., on a line of longitude, for just over 4.43 miles where it intersects with the northwesternmost point of Ohio.  (This is the point we care about.)

And then Michigan's southern border races off again in an easterly direction, skipping along the top of Ohio, eager to get to another great lake, but not at a latitude as you might expect.  Instead, that line with Ohio travels a bit north of east before it finally gets to a location in Lake Erie.

You might well ask why there's that slab cut out of Ohio.  And you might wonder why the slab isn't a rectangle.  To learn get started HERE, remembering that the text of a Wikipedia article is not always reliable but the sources given certainly might be.  You might also want to go straight HERE and search for "Toledo Strip," which is that non-rectangular quadrilateral swath of land that Michigan notches out of Ohio.

No matter what the reasons are for the doubly odd southernmost border of Michigan, we can certainly conclude that the southernmost point of Michigan is at that intersection of Michigan with Indiana and Ohio.

I used three sources to determine that southernmost point of Michigan.

Source #1: Google Maps

You can see for yourself the spot I chose using Google Maps.  Copy either of the coordinates below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps box.

41.696123, -84.805975
+41° 41' 46.04", -84° 48' 21.51"

Or you can see the map I made for you HERE.

Source #2: FindLatitudeandLongitude.com

You can see the spot I chose for Michigan's southernmost point using this source, which I note also relies on Google's data, by clicking HERE.

The exact spot is at your choice of these coordinates:

41.696117985502084, -84.8059967905283
41° 41' 46.0247",-84° 48' 21.5884

You'll remember we discussed the peril of false precision above, so don't be fooled.

Source #3: Flashearth.com

Flashearth.com's decision, based on where I clicked my cursor, is HERE, which shows a latitude of 41d 41m 45s at a longitude of 84d 48m 21s.  Note in the upper left corner that I have chosen Microsoft Virtual Earth maps with labels.

This translates to 41.69583, -84.80583.
 

So, the three sources I used above show these three latitudes for Michigan's southernmost point:

41.696123
41.696118, and
41.695833.

The average is 125.08807 degrees of latitude divided by 3, which is 41.696024776.

Based on the three sources above I have unilaterally decided to declare that the southernmost point of Michigan's border is extremely close to a latitude of 41.696, which is exactly 41 41 45.6.

Note that the greatest distance between the latitude I posit (admittedly, rounded to) and the three "actual" latitudes I averaged (0.0001666) is just over 20 yards (20.2537183), so I feel confident that 41.696 is closer than any other number to within a hundredth of a degree.

If we round 41.696 up to 41.697 the distance gets farther, so we don't care by how much.  But even if we round down to 41.695, the difference is 0.01361 degrees, which is 0.9398032 statute miles, and all I need is an inch.

The latitude I establish for Michigan's southernmost point, 41.696, minus Canada's 41.68138 is 0.01461, which is 1.0085 statute miles, which is close but I think cigar-worthy.  Michigan is the 13th and last U.S. state enitirely north of Canada's most southerly point.

If you have reason to believe Michigan's border is not where I posit it, or if you can confirm it, please .

 

Michigan

41.696

> 1 mile

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Michigan

41.696

> 1 mile

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Michigan

41.696

> 1 mile

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Michigan

41.696

> 1 mile

We know from the four sources above that the most critical latitude in question, Canada's southernmost point of land, is 41d 40m 53s, which we also know is exactly 41.68138 degrees north.

Every important measurement in this table of U.S. states entirely north of Canada's southernmost point and the one above (the U.S. states at least partly north) relates to this exact imaginary horizontal ring around the planet.

CANADA

41.68138

41d 40m 53s

Massachusetts is the state closest to being far enough north everywhere without being so.  Go HERE to see the point I chose using Google Maps for Massachusetts' most southerly point, which is on Nantucket Island.

To confirm Massachusetts' southernmost point for yourself, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

41.239025,-70.010832

Just because it's one of the two important closests, I gave Massachusetts a run through Flashearth, and it says the point I chose to click, HERE, shows a latitude of 41.239113.

The difference between the two, 0.000088 degrees, is a matter of less than 33 feet, so we can confidently say that the southernmost latitude of Massachusetts rounds eagerly to 41.239 degrees more than any other thousandth of a degree, which means it is the same as 41d 14m 20.4s.

Canada's latitude of 41.68138 minus Massachusetts' latitude of 41.239 means Massachusetts is 0.44238 degrees too far south, which is a distance of 30.5455225 miles.

So, Massachusetts is not the 14th state by 30 miles.

Worst-case scenario.  In order to max this out we must also consider Massachusetts' southernmost point relative not to the southernmost point of Canada's land, as we have been all along, but rather to the southernmost point of Canada's waters.  We have to know.

As we already do know, the latitude of Canada's southernmost waters is 41d 40m 36s.  The latitude of Massachusetts' southernmost point is is 41d 14m 20.4s.  The difference is 1,575.6 seconds, which is 30.2194683 miles.  Re-re-whew.
 

Massachusetts

41.239

< -30 miles

Go HERE to see the point I chose for Rhode Island, which is the southernmost point on Block Island.

To confirm Rhode Island's southernmost point for yourself, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

41.146069,-71.59292

This shows a latitude of 41.146069, which minus 41.68138 means Rhode Island's southernmost point is too far south by 0.5353198 degrees, which is nearly 37 miles (36.9621076), so no 14th state.
  

Rhode Island

41.146069

< -36 miles

We know not all of Wyoming is north of Canada's southernmost point because its southern border is defined to be exactly 41 degrees north, which is exactly 40 minutes and 53 seconds (over 47 miles) too far south of Canada's 41 40 53.
 

Wyoming

41.00

< -47 miles

Go HERE to see Google Maps point I judged to be Connecticut's southernmost point of land.

To confirm Connecticut's southernmost point for yourself, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

40.985192,-73.656722

Canada's 41.68138 minus Connecticut's southernmost latitude of 40.985192 is 0.6961968 degreees, which means Connecticut is too far south by a distance of over 48 (48.0701443) miles.
 

Connecticut

40.985192

< -48 miles

New York's southernmost point of land -- which as it turns out means we don't care about New York's waters -- is well south of Canada's southernmost point.  Go HERE to see New York's southernmost point of land in Google Maps.

To confirm New York's southernmost point, copy the below, go to Google MAPS, and paste it into the Search Maps text box at the top.

40.495912, -74.247339

Canada's latitude of 41.68138 minus New York's latitude of 40.495912 is 1.1854768 degrees, which is 81.8533464 miles too far south for New York to be in the running for the 14th state.
 

New York

40.495912

< -81 miles

We know not all of Iowa is north of Canada's southernmost point because its southern border is pretty close to HERE, which is 40.375458 minus 41.68138, which makes Iowa too far south by 1.3059308 degrees, which is 90.1703056 miles.
 

Iowa

40.375458

< -90 miles

We know not all of Nebraska is north of Canada's southernmost point because the entirety of its southernmost border is defined to be exactly 40 degrees, which makes the difference exactly 1 degree, 40 minutes and 53 seconds, which is over 116 miles, too far south .  Go HERE to see the easternmost point of Nebraska's southern border with Kansas.
 

Nebraska

40.00

< -116 miles

 

 

 

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Distance converter spreadsheet.  It turns out that deriving many of the facts above is greatly facilitated by the ability to switch latitude measurement formats easily, that is, from degrees minutes seconds to decimal degrees and back.  So I wrote a spreadsheet.  It now does a lot more than that, and I believe it does it all well, better than any others out there that I could find, and, believe me, I looked.

Here are some features of my little latitude distance converter spreadsheet:

  • Calculate the distance in decimal format between two latitudes entered in degree minute second format.  And vice versa.

  • Convert from the degree minute second format to the decimal format.

  • Convert from the decimal format to the degree minute second format.

  • Convert any distance expressed in units of inches, feet, yards, meters, degree seconds of latitude, kilometers, statute miles, nautical miles, decimal minutes of latitude or decimal degrees of latitude to every other unit.

  • And do all of this with extremely high precision, i.e., to many decimal places and without using any estimates or rounded numbers whatsoever.

  • Every mathematical alteration is spelled out, which means you can see and completely deconstruct every conversion formula.  For instance, the formula for converting from statute miles to decimal degrees is shown as ((( X * 0.0254 ) * 63360 ) / 1852 ) / 60 rather than the easier but less precise version X * 0.0144829374.

If you want this high-precision distance-calculator speadsheet, in Excel 2000 format, go ahead and download it now.

  • The ZIPped version is distance_converter_xl43.zip (16,711 bytes).

  • The decompressed version is distance_converter48.xls (fff 60,416 bytes).  If your computer is set up to automatically open an Excel file, you may choose Open instead of Save.

  • To learn about the well-regarded XNumbers add-in that extends Excel's precision from 15 places to 200 see HERE, or go ahead and download the version I use from here (xnumb24.zip, 904,881 bytes).

 


Distance: The second matters first, then the meter, then the inch.  All of the discussion about the 27 states and the 13 states and Hawaii and Rome involves measurements of distance, or length.  And it turns out that all such measurements are now derived from a single known quantity, and that known quantity defines the universal standard measurement of length, the meter.

Every other unit of length -- yards and knots and hectares and decimal degrees of latitude and so on -- is defined in relation to the meter.  The meter is well-defined, and the definition is agreed upon by all of science.  According to the National Institute of Standards (NIST) and every other reliable source:

The meter is the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299,792,458th of a second.

So, if you want to measure out an exact meter, here's all you have to do.

(1) With one hand, turn on a light bulb.  At the same time, with your other hand start a stopwatch.  At the same time, with your other hand hold a stick or something up next to the light bulb.

(2) At the same time, create a vaccuum by sucking in your breath REALLY hard.

(3) Keeping one eye on the stopwatch, stop it after one three-hundred-millionth (1/300,000,000th) of a second has gone by, then at the same time with the other eye visually note the point on the stick where the light got to.  With your other hand make a mark there with your trusty Magic Marker.  From the light bulb to the mark is one meter.

Now, now, I know what you're thinking, and you're right, a meter is actually just a bit longer (0.069% longer, to be almost exact) than that, but you're probably close enough for most practical purposes such as building a bridge or calculating an orbit.

As you can see, defining a meter means first defining a second, and according to NIST:

The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of
the radiation corresponding to the transition between
the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the
cesium 133 atom.

Well, duh.  I mean, tell me somthing I didn't know.  Sheesh.  I'll let you devise your own method of timing this (hint: It involves counting really fast).

On May 6, 1954, to worldwide acclaim, Englishman Roger Bannister became the first person to run a mile in under four minutes.  He did it in 3:59.4.  That's well-known, but what they don't tell you is that he was timed by a guy at the finish line saying "One Mississippi" 239 times and then getting only to the last "P" of the 240th one when Bannister passed him.  Also, since then, in 1997 and again in 1998, a guy named Daniel Komen of Kenya ran two miles in under 8 minutes, which is a lot harder.  You could look this up.

Anyway, with the meter thus defined so precisely, we also have the exact definitions for other metric-system units such as nanometers (divide by a billion) and kilometers (multiply by a thousand).  And we also have the exact definitions for less obvious metric-system units such as a nautical mile and a degree of latitude and a stere.

The magic number.  But none of this gives us access to the anachronistic world of Imperial units, where it's miles instead of kilometers and yards instead of meters, unless you know the magic number.  The magic number is the inch, which is now defined in terms of the meter.  Once we know exactly what an inch is we also know exactly what feet and yards and statute miles are, because they're all defined in terms of the inch.

Consider the above-mentioned formula for converting from statute miles to decimal degrees:

((( X * 0.0254 ) * 63360) / 1852 ) / 60,  where X = the number of statute miles.

Assume X = 1 statute mile.

First, note that this involves a change from one format to the other, in this case from Imperial units (statute miles) to metric units (decimal degrees of latitude), so we'll start with the magic transition number that takes us from one to the other.  One inch is defined as 0.0254 meters.  Not 0.0254 meters plus a little more we don't bother to show you, but exactly  0.0254 meters, with no more significant decimal places to the right.

0.0254 = meters in 1 inch

(In case you're wondering what the exact reciprocal of 0.0254 is, which is the number of inches in a meter, the answer can be calculated by dividing 5,000 by 127, the quotient of which is exactly

39.370078740157480314960629921259842519685039,

where the entire 42-digit decimal portion repeats.  In case you're wondering, it's not really true that the inch is defined that way as it is that the yard is defined as exactly 0.9144 meters and that the inch is defined as exactly 1/36th of a yard, but 0.9144 divided by 36 is still exactly 0.0254 meters to the inch.)

So, first multiply the number of meters in an inch by the number of inches in a statute mile.  The number of inches in a statute mile is 12 inches per foot times 5,280 feet per mile (or exactly 63,360 inches).

0.0254 * 63,360 = meters in 1 statute mile

Second, now that we know the number of meters in a statute mile (exactly 1,609.344 meters), we've converted completely from Imperial units to metric.  Which means the rest is easy.

Third, we need to convert from meters to nautical miles.  A nautical mile is defined as being exactly 1,852 meters, so we divide by that number.

( 0.0254 * 63,360 ) / 1852 = nautical miles in 1 statute mile

And fourth, finally, knowing that a nautical mile is the same as a decimal minute, we convert from nautical miles to decimal degrees by dividing by 60.

(( 0.0254 * 63,360 ) / 1852 ) / 60 = decimal degrees in a statute mile
= approximately 0.014483

The reciprocal formula -- for the number of statute miles in a decimal degree -- is

((( 1 / 0.0254 ) * 1852 ) / 63360 ) * 60, or approximately 69.

 

Two formats, one better.  You'll remember I originally wrote that spreadsheet in order to convert precisely from one latitude-measuring format to the other.  The two formats are Degree Minute Second (DDMMSS) and decimal degrees.  Both formats divide a circle into 360 degrees of latitude (at roughly 69 statute miles each), but it's when you need additional precision that the formats diverge.

The DDMMSS format (called the sexagesimal number system) divides each of those 360 degrees into 60 minutes, and further divides each of those minutes into 60 seconds.  The symbol for degrees is º , the symbol for minutes is ' , and the symbol for seconds is " .  The degree-minute-second format sucks all day long, but it is old and entrenched.

The decimal degrees format makes more sense.  It simply expresses each degree as a decimal number, with a decimal point and as many places to the right as are necessary.  So, for example, a latitude halfway between the 38th parallel and the 39th would be at 38.5 degrees (as opposed to 38º 30').  Both formats offer unlimited precision, but the decimal format is easier to manipulate mathematically.  For example, the distance south from 41.69 to 41.36 is calculated by simple subtraction: 41.69 - 41.36 = 0.33 decimal degrees.  What could be easier?

But calculating the distance south from 41º 41' 17"N to 41º 21' 25"N is not so easy.  Try doing it, with or without a calculator, and see how long it takes you to arrive at the answer of 19' 52".

I believe we Americans should switch to the metric system.  Inches and ounces and gallons are stupid units of measurement.  The metric system is not only just as good, it is altogether superior, it will never go away because it's too useful, and it's high time for everyone who hasn't already to switch.

But given that we probably won't in the next few weeks, here's how the two format-conversion formulas work.


To convert a DDMMSS latitude to decimal degrees

You have to convert each of the three parts -- DDegrees, MMinutes, and SSeconds -- into decimal degrees, then simply add them.

Normal ranges.  The normal range for degrees of north latitude is the integers from 0º (the Equator) to 90º (the North Pole).  The range includes only the integers because any additional precision needed beyond a whole degree is conferred in the minutes and seconds parts.

The normal range for minutes of latitude is the integers from 0' to 59'.  Only the integers are included because any additional precision needed is conferred in the seconds part.

The normal range for seconds of latitude is from 0" to 59".   If precision beyond 1 second is required, you then annex as many decimal places as you need.  For example, 41º 30' 54.01" is .01 seconds larger than 41º 30' 54.00" (just over 12 inches).

Below is the formula, using the example of 41º 30' 54" north latitude.

  Convert 41º 30' 54" latitude into decimal degrees latitude.   Conversion Decimal degrees
Step #1 The DD part of the DDMMSS latitude is unchanged.  It's the part of the DDMMSS value that remains the same whether you're using DDMMSS units or decimal degrees.  Said another way, when you convert from 41DD 30MM 54SS to its decimal equivalent or vice versa, the 41 part will still be the same. 41 DD None 41.000
Step #2 There being 60 minutes in a degree, to convert the MMinutes value to degrees you divide by 60. 30 MM Divide by 60 0.500
Step #3 There being 60 seconds in a minute and 60 minutes in a degree, to convert seconds to degrees you divide by 3600.  This works even if the given value is not an integer. 54 SS Divide by 3600 0.015
Step #4 Add the DD and the MM and SS values as converted to decimal degrees., i.e., add the results from Step #1, Step #2, and Step #3.     41.515

 

 

To convert a decimal latitude to DD MM SS

Converting from a decimal degree value for north latitude to its equivalent in the DDMMSS format is more complicated than the other way around, and it's too bad you should ever need to.  Below is the formula using the example of 41.515 degrees decimal, and below that is a further explanation of each step.

  Convert 41.515º latitude into DDMMSS format.   Conversion DDMMSS format
Step #1 The part of the original number left of the decimal point becomes (actually, merely remains) the DD value. 41.515 Subtract any decimal portion 41º
Step #2 Multiply the part right of the decimal point by 3600.  We need this interim number for the calculations in Step #3 and Step #5. 0.515 Multiply by 3600 1854
Step #3 Divide the result in Step #2 by 60.  The integer portion of the quotient is the MM value. 1854 Divide by 60, then subtract any decimal portion 30'
Step #4 Multiply the result in Step #3 by 60.  The product is an interim value we need for the calculation in Step #5. 30 Multiply by 60 1800
Step #5 Subtract the result in Step #4 from the result in Step #2.  The difference is the SS value. 1854-1800 #2 minus #4 54"
Step #6 Concatenate the results from Step #1, #3, and #5, in that order.     41º 30' 54"

If you want to understand why this formula works, read on.

Step #1  Subtract any decimal portion of the original number, and the difference is the DD value.  For north latitudes this should range from 0º (the Equator) to 90º (the North Pole).  This number will, of course, always be an integer.  In the example, 41.515º - 0.515º = 41º.

Step #2  Multiply the part right of the decimal point by 3600, which results in the total number of seconds in the decimal portion of the original number.  This result, which will always be less than 3600, can have an infinite number of digits, and we need it twice later.

Step #3  Divide the number of degree seconds from Step #2 by 60.  If the quotient is not a whole number, round down to the nearest integer.  In the example above, 1854 divided by 60 is rounded down from 30.9 to 30.  The result is the whole number of minutes in the decimal portion of the original number, the MM value.  The range of this value is the integers from 0 to 59.

To calculate the SS value:

Step #4  Multiply the result from Step #3 by 60.  The product is the whole number of minutes of the decimal portion of the original number expressed in seconds, and it is an interim value we need in the next step.  The range of this value is the integers from 0 minutes to 3,540 minutes (59 X 60).

Step #5  Subtract the product from Step #4 from the result from Step #2.  The difference is the SS value.  If it contains a decimal portion, simply retain it, e.g., 1854.01 minus 1800 = 54.01, or 54.01 seconds.  The range of this value is any non-negative number less than 60.

Step #6  To put it all together, the DDegrees value comes from Step #1, the MMinutes value comes from Step #3, and the SSeconds value comes from Step #5.
 

 

 

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